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I am currently 232lbs, 6'5, 18% BF (Top 2 abs show and some fair ab definition)My lifts are very weak at:
242lb bench press
310lb squat
310lb deadlift
(All of these perfect form)I am 18 years old, and I am researching steroids in case I ever use them, I am not planning to touch anything until I am over 22-23 years old. I have been lurking around for a while but I am a hug noob. If I ever touched steroids, I thought as a first cycle to do something basic like 600mg Test weekly with Var (50mg-80mg depending on quality of gear).
I was wondering a few things?
1. What can I achieve naturally until 22-23 years of age (another 4-5 years of lifting) (I have been lifting for 1 and a half years).
My goal naturally is to get to 250lbs, under 12% BF, bench 350, squat 405, deadlift 450.2. What can I expect from an 8-12 week cycle and what would be optimal? What kind of strength gains and weight gains and body fat changes can I expect?
I was hoping, if I am 250lbs at 12% BF, 350bench, 405squat, 450dead that after 1 cycle the results would be:
250->260lbs
12% BF->8% BF
350 Bench-> 380 Bench
405 Squat-> 440 Squat
450 dead-> 495 DeadIs this realistic?
Also what kind of side effects can I expect from such a cycle? Other than mild acne and shutting down of testes which are both very temporary and negligible.
Cliffs:
- Gain 30lbs natural muscle over a 4-5 year period
- Lose 12lbs Fat over a 4-5 year period
- Go from 242lb bench to 350 naturally over 4-5 years and then 350 to 380 with 1 cycle
- Go from 310lb squat to 405 naturally over 4-5 years and then 405 to 440 with 1 cycle
- Go from 310lb deadlift to 450 naturally over 4-5 years and then 450 to 495 with 1 cycleMy ultimate goal: Get to IFBB pro level.
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Im on first cycle now, you dont need that much Test for a first cycle, people seem to love high doses, but thats way more than you need will just cause sides..Join DateDec 2012Posts49
Go for about 400mg of test (Youve not said what kind, Enth/Cyp ect?) thats more than enough to see brilliant gains first cycle IMO.
To be honest im thinking you only need test for a first cycle, also orals are very hard on the body, just stick with test for the 1st one and see how you go!
Im 6.5 weeks in, the most common things are random bouts of spots, normally on the back, nothin bad, the odd increase of hair, feeling like you could drink a whole lagoon dry, but thats about it, im not using any AI too, but if you can id advise HCG from what im hearing.
The lads will be along shortly to advise on gains ect.
Good Luck,
Sam
I don't know what kind of test, probably cyp to be honest. I don't mind spending money, if I do this, I am willing to spend as much as possible to do it right and safely. Not going to try to save where health is concerned.I don't smoke, party or drink so I should have a bunch of money extra by that age.
Anyway what kind of gains can I expect? Are my goals natural and cycle realistic?
PS:
Do I need a lot of cycles to get to an IFBB Pro level? My goal body is something like this:
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Im enjoying CYP, only thing is it takes a long time to fully kick of coarse, i think ill hit prop next time, not a fan of orals at all, My first try of Dbol i took liver support, drank gallons of water ect, but it gave me crippling headaches knocked it off after less than a week, of coarse everyone will react different though, If money is no object, id consider Test Cyp/Enth at about 400MG per week, split into at least 2 doses, with A good AI (Will let others advise) HCG , and a Good PCT, DAA and Other Natural testy boosters might help you recover faster once your off the cycle, ill let you know when i get to it as i have lots in the drawer ive not bothered with.Join DateDec 2012Posts49
My research with Var showed that it is very mild on the liver if taken correctly, but that the myth that it doesn't shut you down is fake. and that it shuts you down just as fast as any other gear.Join DateNov 2013Posts12As to details on what AIs and PCT to use, I have no idea.
I am 4-5 years away from the cycle and haven't even decided if I will.
Also I don't even have access to any...Not quite sure how to know if a source is reliable, I don't like the idea of buying something which I don't know what it is.
Its milder on the liver if i was to take an Oral it would be Var myself actually, but not without effects as you said.Join DateDec 2012Posts49
Im too inexperienced to advise on AI/PCT for you, that's why i said wait for one of the lads to come along.
If you look online there are a few ways to test products, one of the best things id do is find a possible source, ask there brand (Just say some make you ill) and then have a research online, but beware some people do get paid to promote on forums, i try ask local people that know the source
yea it's tough to find out what gear is legit.Join DateNov 2013Posts12I mean I live in UK where its legal to use and buy, but illegal to sell.
So talk here of buying is ok.Scotland has the best labs I think, wait we aren't allowed to say names are we? Either way theres this 1 lab I heard has the best Var.
I wish you could buy from pharmacies...
Im from the UK too buddy, i will be honest i found it easy to find gear, but very hard to find real gear, mine now comes from Thailand, via a family member, Thailand, Arabia, Russia, places like that seem to have the best kinds so im finding/hearing, anything really close to home im finding to be fake, not saying all, just what im finding!Join DateDec 2012Posts49
really? I thought it would be the opposite.Join DateFeb 2005Locationny/floridaPosts3,970
I mean I am sure quite a few guys are trying to fake gear here, but I thought exotic gear would be the worst. I really don't trust countries like Thailand etc... Maybe I am a tad racist haha.
Are there any guides on how to find good sources?
Meh either way I have a long time.
If your 18 and 6'5 then yes it's possible to put on 30lbs of muscle on in 4-5 yrs. that's only w proper nutrition. And at that point you'd be puttin up much more than 350 on ur bench.Join DateDec 2012Posts49That's not to say its goin to be easy. 30lbs of muscle is a lot. So take this time to learn how ur body reacts to different macro split and amounts. Once u get it spot on u can gain some nice lean mass.
On a 6'5 frame if u put on 10lbs of muscle on cycle that would be successful IMO. You'd prob put on 30lbs but if 10 of it was muscle that would be good.
Again most of it will be determine of ur execution on diet, training and rest.
to be honest... This has been my progression:Join DateFeb 2005Locationny/floridaPosts3,970
30% Fat, 210lbs so thats 147lbs LBM and 63lbs Fat3months of cardio (first cut)
11% Fat, 163lbs so thats 145lbs LBM and 18lbs Fat
Bulk for 1 year straight:
213lbs at 15% BF, 181lbs LBM and 32lbs FatSwitch program and up the diet adding loads of dirty foods for 4 months:
232lbs at 18% BF, 190lbs LBM, 42lbs FatI put on too much fat, I will now bulk more carefully until march, I will bulk to 243lbs and then cut down to around 220 aiming for below 12% BF for summer and then bulk again.
I am adding LBM pretty fast following this routine:
A:
Back Squats
Chin-ups (shoulder width grip)
Bench press
Seated rows (wide grip, pull bar to pecs)
Leg curls
Concentration curls (alternate between arms with no/minimal rest)
Rope pressdowns
Standing calf raises
Overhead PressB:
Deadlifts
Pull-ups (wide grip)
Dips (parallel or V bar)
Chest-supported dumbbell rows (let elbows flare away from body)
Leg extensions
Incline dumbbell curls
Overhead extensions
Seated calf raises
Side lateral raises (dumbbell or cable)What I do is alternate workout, 7 days a week, it lasts for about 60minutes if done correctly and intensely.
It works like this, each exercise I choose a 10 rep range failure, do 9-11 reps to failure, then proceed to do 7 sets of 3 reps with as little break as possible. The breaks get bigger obviously as I get more tired, the first break being just a few seconds while the last break is more around 45seconds.This seems to work for me.
Looks like a good plan when ur first starting out cause your hitting all ur muscle groups. But eventually u will need to isolate more to get growth. So pick two muscle groups per day.Join DateFeb 2005Locationny/floridaPosts3,970Example
Day 1 chest/tri
2. Back/bi
3 rest
4quads/hams/calves
5 rest
6 shoulders/traps
7 repeatThat way u can do more sets per muscle group in that hr. Also make sure u have rest days.
And I'm pretty sure dude in second pic is mike o'hearn. He claims to be a natural bb but dude is a complete monster so who knows.
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as a result I get to enjoy numbness in my lower forearm and last two fingers on occasion. Sometimes I get tingling sensations there. I ignore it now as best I can. It does not keep me out of the gym though. 
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