What to expect in your first cycle?

Join DateDec 2012Posts49

I am currently 232lbs, 6'5, 18% BF (Top 2 abs show and some fair ab definition)

My lifts are very weak at:
242lb bench press
310lb squat
310lb deadlift
(All of these perfect form)

I am 18 years old, and I am researching steroids in case I ever use them, I am not planning to touch anything until I am over 22-23 years old. I have been lurking around for a while but I am a hug noob. If I ever touched steroids, I thought as a first cycle to do something basic like 600mg Test weekly with Var (50mg-80mg depending on quality of gear).

I was wondering a few things?

1. What can I achieve naturally until 22-23 years of age (another 4-5 years of lifting) (I have been lifting for 1 and a half years).
My goal naturally is to get to 250lbs, under 12% BF, bench 350, squat 405, deadlift 450.

2. What can I expect from an 8-12 week cycle and what would be optimal? What kind of strength gains and weight gains and body fat changes can I expect?
I was hoping, if I am 250lbs at 12% BF, 350bench, 405squat, 450dead that after 1 cycle the results would be:
250->260lbs
12% BF->8% BF
350 Bench-> 380 Bench
405 Squat-> 440 Squat
450 dead-> 495 Dead

Is this realistic?

Also what kind of side effects can I expect from such a cycle? Other than mild acne and shutting down of testes which are both very temporary and negligible.

Cliffs:
- Gain 30lbs natural muscle over a 4-5 year period
- Lose 12lbs Fat over a 4-5 year period
- Go from 242lb bench to 350 naturally over 4-5 years and then 350 to 380 with 1 cycle
- Go from 310lb squat to 405 naturally over 4-5 years and then 405 to 440 with 1 cycle
- Go from 310lb deadlift to 450 naturally over 4-5 years and then 450 to 495 with 1 cycle

My ultimate goal: Get to IFBB pro level.

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Im on first cycle now, you dont need that much Test for a first cycle, people seem to love high doses, but thats way more than you need will just cause sides..
Go for about 400mg of test (Youve not said what kind, Enth/Cyp ect?) thats more than enough to see brilliant gains first cycle IMO.
To be honest im thinking you only need test for a first cycle, also orals are very hard on the body, just stick with test for the 1st one and see how you go!
Im 6.5 weeks in, the most common things are random bouts of spots, normally on the back, nothin bad, the odd increase of hair, feeling like you could drink a whole lagoon dry, but thats about it, im not using any AI too, but if you can id advise HCG from what im hearing.
The lads will be along shortly to advise on gains ect.
Good Luck,
Sam

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I don't know what kind of test, probably cyp to be honest. I don't mind spending money, if I do this, I am willing to spend as much as possible to do it right and safely. Not going to try to save where health is concerned.

I don't smoke, party or drink so I should have a bunch of money extra by that age.

Anyway what kind of gains can I expect? Are my goals natural and cycle realistic?

PS:
Do I need a lot of cycles to get to an IFBB Pro level? My goal body is something like this:

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Im enjoying CYP, only thing is it takes a long time to fully kick of coarse, i think ill hit prop next time, not a fan of orals at all, My first try of Dbol i took liver support, drank gallons of water ect, but it gave me crippling headaches knocked it off after less than a week, of coarse everyone will react different though, If money is no object, id consider Test Cyp/Enth at about 400MG per week, split into at least 2 doses, with A good AI (Will let others advise) HCG , and a Good PCT, DAA and Other Natural testy boosters might help you recover faster once your off the cycle, ill let you know when i get to it as i have lots in the drawer ive not bothered with.

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My research with Var showed that it is very mild on the liver if taken correctly, but that the myth that it doesn't shut you down is fake. and that it shuts you down just as fast as any other gear.

As to details on what AIs and PCT to use, I have no idea.

I am 4-5 years away from the cycle and haven't even decided if I will.
Also I don't even have access to any...

Not quite sure how to know if a source is reliable, I don't like the idea of buying something which I don't know what it is.

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Its milder on the liver if i was to take an Oral it would be Var myself actually, but not without effects as you said.
Im too inexperienced to advise on AI/PCT for you, that's why i said wait for one of the lads to come along.
If you look online there are a few ways to test products, one of the best things id do is find a possible source, ask there brand (Just say some make you ill) and then have a research online, but beware some people do get paid to promote on forums, i try ask local people that know the source

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yea it's tough to find out what gear is legit.

I mean I live in UK where its legal to use and buy, but illegal to sell.
So talk here of buying is ok.

Scotland has the best labs I think, wait we aren't allowed to say names are we? Either way theres this 1 lab I heard has the best Var.

I wish you could buy from pharmacies...

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Im from the UK too buddy, i will be honest i found it easy to find gear, but very hard to find real gear, mine now comes from Thailand, via a family member, Thailand, Arabia, Russia, places like that seem to have the best kinds so im finding/hearing, anything really close to home im finding to be fake, not saying all, just what im finding!

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really? I thought it would be the opposite.
I mean I am sure quite a few guys are trying to fake gear here, but I thought exotic gear would be the worst. I really don't trust countries like Thailand etc... Maybe I am a tad racist haha.
Are there any guides on how to find good sources?
Meh either way I have a long time.

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If your 18 and 6'5 then yes it's possible to put on 30lbs of muscle on in 4-5 yrs. that's only w proper nutrition. And at that point you'd be puttin up much more than 350 on ur bench.

That's not to say its goin to be easy. 30lbs of muscle is a lot. So take this time to learn how ur body reacts to different macro split and amounts. Once u get it spot on u can gain some nice lean mass.

On a 6'5 frame if u put on 10lbs of muscle on cycle that would be successful IMO. You'd prob put on 30lbs but if 10 of it was muscle that would be good.

Again most of it will be determine of ur execution on diet, training and rest.

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to be honest... This has been my progression:
30% Fat, 210lbs so thats 147lbs LBM and 63lbs Fat

3months of cardio (first cut)

11% Fat, 163lbs so thats 145lbs LBM and 18lbs Fat

Bulk for 1 year straight:
213lbs at 15% BF, 181lbs LBM and 32lbs Fat

Switch program and up the diet adding loads of dirty foods for 4 months:
232lbs at 18% BF, 190lbs LBM, 42lbs Fat

I put on too much fat, I will now bulk more carefully until march, I will bulk to 243lbs and then cut down to around 220 aiming for below 12% BF for summer and then bulk again.

I am adding LBM pretty fast following this routine:

A:

Back Squats
Chin-ups (shoulder width grip)
Bench press
Seated rows (wide grip, pull bar to pecs)
Leg curls
Concentration curls (alternate between arms with no/minimal rest)
Rope pressdowns
Standing calf raises
Overhead Press

B:

Deadlifts
Pull-ups (wide grip)
Dips (parallel or V bar)
Chest-supported dumbbell rows (let elbows flare away from body)
Leg extensions
Incline dumbbell curls
Overhead extensions
Seated calf raises
Side lateral raises (dumbbell or cable)

What I do is alternate workout, 7 days a week, it lasts for about 60minutes if done correctly and intensely.
It works like this, each exercise I choose a 10 rep range failure, do 9-11 reps to failure, then proceed to do 7 sets of 3 reps with as little break as possible. The breaks get bigger obviously as I get more tired, the first break being just a few seconds while the last break is more around 45seconds.

This seems to work for me.

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Looks like a good plan when ur first starting out cause your hitting all ur muscle groups. But eventually u will need to isolate more to get growth. So pick two muscle groups per day.

Example
Day 1 chest/tri
2. Back/bi
3 rest
4quads/hams/calves
5 rest
6 shoulders/traps
7 repeat

That way u can do more sets per muscle group in that hr. Also make sure u have rest days.

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And I'm pretty sure dude in second pic is mike o'hearn. He claims to be a natural bb but dude is a complete monster so who knows.

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S4 during cycle.

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In the description of S4 it is compared to dbol . Does this mean that it can be used to kick start a cycle or are sarms not good for during cycle use.

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Wierd things happening late into first cycle of test.C..

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Hi guys, firstly i would like to of course say hello to everyone..
This is how it started, i used to be an average guy, blah blah shit happened bad things and ended up dropping test levels through depression, 2 months ago i was at a terrible point, eating hardly any more than 1500 Cals a day if lucky and weighing only 9.6 stone at the age of 20 (Nearly 21) -being 5'11" and had absolutely no apatite or motivation, couldn't lift at the gym due to feeling so lethargic, tried everything but nothing seemed to work.

So, although i know its not recommended im too young and everything, but to me, nothing in the slightest would work, i started training but couldn't lift due to having no strength or motivation, i wasn't building any muscle because of having no motivation or strength and a poor diet, so it was a vicious circle, i decided to try a different approach, with the thought being, if you never try something you wont know, now i know Ive totally ruined chances of natural size gains because of using so young, but please, i have made the decision, to improve my quality of life (Which by the way was pretty awful, always ill ect) and for that i have no regrets, so would appreciate support and not telling me to stop for being too young, thanks in advanced guys!

So here it is, i started with some Test Cypionate (Cypionax 200ml-200MG), which is from someone in the family, i know its 100% Legit, as he gets them himself on holiday and uses..
After getting over my phobia of needles, i actually started to enjoy injecting, so i went for 100MG Test Cyp 3 times a week (Mon-Wed-Fri) and a 100MG of Deca on the Sunday (I have dropped after 3 weeks after realizing it would be totally wasted on a first cycle).
The results for myself were great, not gains, but life! I instantly felt revitalized after only 4-5 days the best in about 3 years, sleep improved, mood improved, sex drive improved, confidence, you name it it was there, it allowed me to actually eat without being sick and with that i redesigned my diet, consisting of as much protein i could get through at work, 5 smaller meals with lots of carbs and any protein i could find, 2 weight gainer shakes a day, and 2 Pints of full fat milk (Bulking as much as poss).
(At week 3 when i dropped the Deca, i decided to up the Test to 1.33ML (Mon-Wed-Fri) so it would be roughly just under 400MG a week).

Now this worked brilliant at first, everything about me improved, training, diet, calorie intake, i went up by over a stone within 5 weeks, and almost all seemed solid, no flab, no gut, just pure muscle and all my forearms and shoulders ect started hardening like mad, got to just over 11 Stone, really chuffed, and then i got the flu..

I had to spend 1 week off work and training, had no appetite even shakes that should have been my food were being sicked up, nothing worked, yet i remained 11 Stone.
I have now been on the Test for 7 weeks nearly, and am totally bamboozled, after the illness, my training has been awful, i have no energy at all in the gym, in fact i have started falling asleep at work in the day, leaning over counters ect, (Still getting 8 hours sleep a night) my diet i am struggling with, has dropped down again and im stuggling to put much over 2300 Cals a day in, if i start pushing that then i start throwing up or at least struggle to keep it all down, my weight has not budged of course from the 11 stone, yet once again, vicious circle, i have no energy to train, no appetite and so i will not grow, but the weird thing is i actually feel worse than before my cycle, at first it helped me no end! I'm literally stuck, and its been nearly 2 weeks now since no gains, my head hurts, i have to drink gallons of water a day, im constantly in a foul mood, not even irritable like the test made me at first, i cant stand anything but silence, anyone wants to even talk and i just want to get up and go, the sight or thought of food makes me feel sick, im falling asleep in the day, its total madness.

All Ive heard about from day 1 is Test.C is long ester, you wont feel max effect until till week 5-6-7, but when you do, its unreal, weights get light, you can put more food away, you'll feel amazing, trust me you'll know..
Yet i feel awful and im nearly on week 7, im stuck were i am, im starting to increase weight on my bars slowly again and it gives me little boosts, but they don't last?

I'm not using anything but the test ATM, not too sure what PCT will be using, have Nolva and Clomid to hand but every single person advises different so im unsure, tried to get HCG from day 1 but struggled, might be able to get some to throw in the last few weeks of the cycle to try bring things back to life if you get me..
So far no bad side effects, Gyno ect, i have been congratulated by older AS users i know for handling the moods ect so well, and they think its down to smaller consistent doses, so ill keep that up..
Hell the only way i can tell im on cycle is the constant sex thoughts (not much more than normal hahah) and the spots developing all over my shoulders, that really is the only way you can tell!

Sorry to write a whole book and biography but i really would appreciate peoples opinions on the extreme plummet of progress, lack of motivation ect and why im not feeling this famous "Kick" still after all this time, when the gear is 100% Legit! and i wanted everyone to know and understand the whole story before i asked, so i didn't seem like a silly young chav that just comes on knowing nothing and sprouting shit about lack of 200lbs gains in 2 weeks init..

If anyone could kindly make any suggestions, i would really appreciate it.
Thanks and hope you all had a good Christmas, Sam.

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Dam bro lets keep it short and too the point.Novels put me too sleep LOL

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Hahahah sorry bro will do from now on, but being young i had to explain the whole situation or people would just jump on saying your too young, inexperienced ect..
Only one way to get experience, so id rather just practice things as safely as i can and see how i go, only running for 12 weeks anyway, which is why any advice on the latest madness would be appreciated, can be short and sweet!

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How is anything you've done make you believe it's safe? Did you ever think to get blood work prior to embarking on a horribly designed cycle at 20 years old? Everyone thinks you can just start taking test and all your problems go away, when in fact you just bring in more problems.

The fact you never got blood work, you're injecting a long ester 3x per week, you added 100mg of Deca once a week, for what reason I have no idea and you're not using an AI just shows that you didn't do your research.

I don't understand why so many young people think it's ok to experiment with their hormones just to gain experience and then they wonder why their 20's are miserable, filled with problems.

Your e2 is most likely elevated, you need to stop what you're doing, get on a PCT and get blood work soon after.

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I agree with what your saying, but its hard when everyone you speak to says different things!
No i did not have blood work done, due to not having any idea about were to safely get it done that i could trust, ect!
However i was told by my doctor when i was signed off work, that while checking my blood thoroughly my test levels did seem quite low for my age, but admittedly that was about 6 months ago!

With regards to both the lack of AI, and the Deca for the first few weeks, was because before i knew you could find all this on the internet, i was taking the advice of bodybuilders who have competed in competitions for years, a few actually hold records, who seemed to tell me all this was the best way to go about it, obviously when i found all this info on the web it made me unsure which is why i posted to here in the first place!

The long ester 3 X a week, was simply because since i split to 3 a week instead of 2, surely the T levels will be more consistent, and i have been finding that i get little or no sides since, but am of course open to your suggestions!

Because to me it wasn't just experimenting, it helped with so many issues that nothing else did, we've all started out somewhere once, and im sure lots of people on here started younger than me, im not saying its right, but its true!

Is there no way i can save it this far in? I'm not going against what your saying just curious if i can do anything to stop the last 7 weeks of work being wasted!

Thanks for your advice anyway, Sam

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New to the forum and need cycle advise

 

Hi everyone, just wanted to introduce myself and ask about a cycle that I want to start(it is my first steroid cycle). I'm 22, currently 160lbs and 5'11, with a body fat of around 12%. I want to start with a Test prop Stack, 1-100mg shot every other day

On cycle
Armindex .25mg every other day

Pct
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Let me know what you think, I've been researching a lot. Thanks

Also wanted to add that it is going to be an 8 week cycle,

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what are your goals and what do you eat in a typical day? your light for your height which tells me your diet may be lacking

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You need to build a foundation naturally because at your stats your a long way away from cycling IMHO. Your to young for shutting down your natural t and also your way to light. Its obvious you need to concentrate on your diet and training routine because your not doing either right. Research diets and learn hoe to really stimulate muscle tissue so it grows, give this another 2 yrs and see how much you have done naturally n consider taking some thing but this isn't the right time no matter who tells you it is

I want to get to around 180lbs. I eat about 2000 calories a day and am on a low carb diet to try and cut up . I also eat very clean, no snacks just fruits and vegetables aside from main meals that mostly consist of high protein low fat and low carbs. I do work out almost everyday so I'm always burning a lot of calories. And Thanks man I really appreciate the quick response!

I've worked out for the past 4 years almost everyday and I consider myself to be at a plateau that I can't get over. My current bench max is 250 and have been stuck here for months. Maybe because I only weight 160 and can't gain anymore weight is the reason for me plateauing. I have talked to several bodybuilders at the gym and this cycle is what they suggested.

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You need to eat to gain. Low carbs isn't the way forward. Add 500-1000cals a day. If you don't eat, you won't grow, AAS or not.

Read theses

***Cycles going wrong for the young***

The young and Steroids

And then visit our nutrition forum and read this

***Dieting 101: Lean Bulking***

And start a thread in that forum with your plan.

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Your plateau is self indused bro.Your diet is way out of wack.Aas isn't your answer for reasons Marcus discussed.Hit the diet section post your diet with macros.These guys will show you how to pack it on the safe way.Good luck!

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I've worked out for the past 4 years almost everyday and I consider myself to be at a plateau that I can't get over. My current bench max is 250 and have been stuck here for months. Maybe because I only weight 160 and can't gain anymore weight is the reason for me plateauing. I have talked to several bodybuilders at the gym and this cycle is what they suggested.Like I've said you aren't training hard enough or eating to gain. Concentrate on these two areas for the next 2 yrs and what ever you do don't shut down your natural test

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I'm side prone, new cycle?

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Hey guys I've ran a test E/deca cycle with 30 day clomid 50mg following recently and had pretty bad acne for a side and a little kill on libido. That was more than 6 months ago and I'm currently on accutane to fight off the acne and 1/2 way through the course.

Now I'm looking to stock up on gear for a new cycle as for I'm going to compete in mens physique this August. However I never want to have acne to that extent again , mostly back/chest.

I've been reading steroid profiles, talking with suppliers , reading a lot of forums, research , research! I'm considering a test prop and var cycle with a AI and possibly DHT blocker , hopefully to take the acne to the least amount possible. I'm considering 100-125 of test P EOD x 12 weeks, 50 mg var ED x 10 weeks, .50mg AI EOD. I've also read that blocking DHT especially with var could also help with keeping acne down.

What are your thoughts? I'm most concerned with acne being a side. That's why I'm considering var because it's so mild. I'm a former Marine and my wife is in the Air Force and leaving for 7 months so libido is not an issue if I don't have any. Thanks !

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how high did you run your test.

also clomid gives me acne like crazy. my guess is it came from that

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I only ran test E at 350 and deca at 250, hopefull to keep sides down . However I read way back that I shoulda ran test higher .

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I only ran test E at 350 and deca at 250, hopefull to keep sides down . However I read way back that I shoulda ran test higher .Why do you think that?

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I'm catching on to some sarcasm! Lol , I was being dumb and staying low because I know I'm acne prone. I was just uneducated due to my own ignorance. But now I've done lots if research . If I'm correct I should of ran the deca at 250 and kept to test at 500. However , that time is over. What do you think about the cycle above? Use of AI or DHT blocker like fina? With the test and var doseage?

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I'm catching on to some sarcasm! Lol , I was being dumb and staying low because I know I'm acne prone. I was just uneducated due to my own ignorance. But now I've done lots if research . If I'm correct I should of ran the deca at 250 and kept to test at 500. However , that time is over. What do you think about the cycle above? Use of AI or DHT blocker like fina? With the test and var doseage?Managing your e2 will help a lot. Deca converts to e2 as well as test. I dont think your prev. cycle was terrible but maybe you not using an ai causes the acne.

Try reading austinites acne protocol usong over the counter

Vit b5 (pantothenic acid)
Zinc

>good luck<
"He who can take advice is sometimes superior to those who give it"

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16 year old first cycle results

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16 year old first cycle results (PICS before and after)

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No he did not. Steroids at 16 is the worst thing he could have done. Your supporting it is even worse.
We do not allow underage participants on the forum.

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biggest dude I've seen in a while....

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Kids are so F-ing Stupid these days!!!! Your friend is a moron for doing a cycle at 16.

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You think that's me. How cute.

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So.... he wants to know wat should he take next to get bigger? he dont want to use needles

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So.... he wants to know wat should he take next to get bigger?Food

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that was meant for kronik guy not u

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So.... he wants to know wat should he take next to get bigger? he dont want to use needlesI hope you find your way to the door asap bud

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well u guys have been helpful...

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bahaha, what a hoot. and all this time fit2bold I thought that was you in the av.....lmao smh, you let the cat out of the bag bro .

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that was meant for kronik guy not uKronik is much smarter regardless. Not always about size.

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well u guys have been helpful...go elsewhere to other forums, we dont help kids use aas here but I have to ask did you even run any kind of.pct?

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bahaha, what a hoot. and all this time fit2bold I thought that was you in the av.....lmao smh, you let the cat out of the bag bro .That was fit2bold in his early days in the '50s....back then he was fit2byoung

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bahaha, what a hoot. and all this time fit2bold I thought that was you in the av.....lmao smh, you let the cat out of the bag bro .Sorry I fooled you. Quite a bit bigger than that been lifting over 30 years.

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go elsewhere to other forums, we dont help kids use aas here but I have to ask did you even run any kind of.pct?X2, but Merry Xmas anyway.

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I can't wait until Xmas is over so kelkel can have his motivational calves as his avatar again..........orrrr, wait.....is that back in black?? Now I'm confused

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Thanks Chad and all the best to you as well. Lets make it a BIG 2014!

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I can't wait until Xmas is over so kelkel can have his motivational calves as his avatar again..........orrrr, wait.....is that back in black?? Now I'm confusedMine are tooth pics.

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Originally Posted by powerlifter198 These comments make me LMFAO. Oh yes, because being big is the only criteria of a well run cycle. Why worry about the effects on his neuroendocrine system, the likelihood of severe depression or mood disorders later on, erectile dysfunction, the possibility of DVTs or PAD, prostate dysfunction, and many other possible outcomes.

Yup, screw his long term health. What does that matter any way.

I swear, kids these days don't hear the shit coming out of their mouth and are so self absorbed its disgusting.

Ban this fool. We don't need this kind of crap here. Go over to the other garbage forums where this kind of discussion belongs.

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He has a thread in the members pics section looks like the same guy. This guy is to young to be here

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He has a thread in the members pics section looks like the same guy. This guy is to young to be hereagree, its the same.guy I noticed that in the pics he has up before. really childish ways, I hope he takes the advice and stops what he is doing.

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Mass cycle, need opinions

Ok so for my next cycle, i want to put out the basics and get peoples opinions,

16 weeks based around test e the whole way through, 750 mg a week for the first 12 weeks, 500 the last 4 weeks so it's not such a drop when its over, but on top of this, for the first 4 weeks i'llstack anadrol , and for the 6 weeks following i'll run 300mg a week of tren e

Clomid nolva for pct.

I've got my doses all sorted for everything, but because this will be the heaviest stack ive done yet, i thought it couldnt hurt to put it out there and ask. just want some opinions on the cycle itself, and if anyone has any thoughts on it i. General.

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Beginner cycle and pct

Ok so I'll be looking to get my package together for a cycle here. Will be my second cycle but first was about 7 yrs ago. So needless to say I'm sticking to basics of test only.

I'm 27 205lb 12%bf.

Test prop week 1-4 350mg (100mg eod)
Test E week 1-10 500mg
Hcg 500iu twice a week 1-10
Aromasin 12.5mg/day week 1-12

Clomid 100/100/50/50 week 12-16
Nolva 40/40/20/20 week 12-16

I wanted to keep the cycle short but start off quick w test prop. Does all the pct and other ai's look right?

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Female Blood Work prior to 1st cycle

My wife is going to run a cycle of Anavar in the beginning of 2014. We want to make sure we get the proper blood work done prior so we have something to compare to afterwards. I am fairly familiar with the male tests but not so much with the female.

Her diet is on cue, weight trains 4x a week and mild cardio every day. She weighs in at 118 and is 5'3. She is 35 years old. Hard for me to say her bodyfat but she is fairly toned, not big muscular but lean muscular.

Dosing for cycle -

2.5mg Day 1 and 2
5mg day Day 3-7
10mg - Day 8-49
5mg - Day 50-54
2.5 - Day 55 and 56

She will also be taking fish oil, D3, and Nac 600mg 2x a day.

Any input is appreciated on any part of this post but the blood work is my biggest issue at this time.

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Next cycle going to include EPO. Need advice.

Hey guys.

Done 1 proper cycle of test e @ 500mg per week every 3.5 days.

HCg also every 3.5 days

Along with Arimidex every Other day.

PCT protocol is

75/50/50/50
40/20/20/20

STATS

Age : 25
Bf : 11-12%
CURRENT Weight : 207

Pre cycle weight : 195
Post cycle weight : 220

I'm coming off finishing off my PCT Thursday and going to stack a low dose of test with EPO and possibly HGH. Obviously I still have a good 12 weeks before I start back up. I didn't forget time on equals time off.

I need better endurance and being so big for crossfit sucks so I need a little leg up. I just don't know where to start with EPO dosing. I don't know any docs. You guys know any websites that specialize in ultra endurance or have any advice about it other than don't do it.

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TRT vs Cycle ??

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Looking for an explanation on why it is not recommended to do less than 500mg per week of test on a cycle for people with normal natural test levels, yet people with low test levels can do 300-400mg per MONTH and apparently make improvements?

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Gyno at 7 weeks into cycle while on liquidex

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Hey everyone, basically on 500m test 400 tren . Been doing good. Taking liquidex at .25 eod. At week 7 I started with bump under left nip. Doesn't hurt nor is it very sensitive. Worried bout it getting worse. I have nolvadex on hand for my post.
My question is what can I dose nolvadex to stop gyno. I only have 3 weeks left on cycle. And since I was going to use it for pct. go as normal with it.
Also what estrogen blocker would I need to take in the future if liqdex isn't helping.
Thanks for any help.

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might want to up your dose of .25 mg, that's just a standard starting point. Not the same for everyone. You can use nolva while on cycle if you have to resort to it, dosing im not sure on it will stop the gyno. Caber/prami may also be useful to you at this point

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I'm taking 1mg prami. Just read to up the dosage on liqdex. Shit next time I'll start at .5. Thanks.

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start nolva now at 20mg/day and run it straight through pct ....up ai dose slightly as well till you drop it when you start pct

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My Test Halo cycle

Sure..

42 5' 11" about 185 lbs maybe 8 percent body fat. 24 years training, that's lifting. Usually lift approx 8 months a year with other months quite active. Not much PCT knowledge as you'll see from my previous cycles, I've always been cautious. I've used tamoxifen from aar with success coming off Test. 4 previous cycles as follows:
Age 36 var only, 50 mg per day 10 weeks. I loved it for strength.
Age 38 Andriol at 100 mg x5 per week, for 10 weeks, no pct
Age 39 Test cyp @ 400 mg a week for 10 weeks, forget the pct dosage, but it was Tamoxifen for a week.
Age 40 dbol starter, can't recall the mg, but reasonable for 4 weeks while running test cyp @ 500 for 12 weeks. nolvadex 2 weeks.

Always good results and really no bad reactions. I'm not doing this for competition or for any extreme goals.

I'm almost 43 so been a couple years. I tend to do other activities and hold some size, stay strong, but def have slimmed down a bit as more cardio than free weight activity lately.

Diets always good. But not meticulous. Plan on using milk thistle and keeping my protein at 100 gs a day.

Goals are some bone density, also muscle to bone strength, strength gains, and to put a about 15 lbs back on.

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how often should I be training on this cycle layout ?

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Hi fellows
Have a basic question that im conflicted on.

How much should I really be lifting?

Now context:

Current cycle
Wk 1-12 Test E 900mg
Wk 1-11 Deca 600 mg
Wk 1-4 Dbol 50mg/day
Wk 13-20 Test E 300mg
Wk 13-20 Tren A 50-100/day

on week 5 now.

Im 33 years young, 6ft, 260, Diet is great and I get it changed weekly from a Fit Pro friend ( not looking to get into diet talk here)

Right now every body part a once a week and Arms 2-3 times a week (because I want do arms that much thats why

My intent is to grow grow grow I know I?m stating the obvious. But don?t want to plateau. looking to shake it and keep it fresh

Thoughts?

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A study in japan says that a person only needs 48 hours rest between workouts.
they studied bicep work outs for six months but these were natty body builders
I too am interested to know how often one should rest on a cycle

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cool input Jsanman
Arnold Schwarzenegger - Modern Bodybuilding Encyclopedia says 48 hours for biceps and others parts longer like legs.
so thats sounds about right. based off my own experience its true for me. thus why I hit them 3 times a week.

but really want to know what big guys ( not small guys that have read) but what big guys do and think.

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If I worked any muscle other than abs 3 times a week there wouldn't be much left of me. I would shrivel up like a raisin

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Originally Posted by innerg If you are able to train a body part 3 times a week I don't think that muscle is getting trained hard enough to grow. If it is getting trained hard enough, than it is not enough time to repair and grow.

Let me add, I'm not a giant but 5"11 220 right now is not tiny IMO and I continually grow working everything once a week. I do work calves and abs twice a week.

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Well.... Idunno what you consider big..... I'm 6'1 264 and work everything out once a week.

Maybe that's why I'm still kinda small :-/

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Originally Posted by Hazard Well.... Idunno what you consider big..... I'm 6'1 264 and work everything out once a week.

Maybe that's why I'm still kinda small :-/

Haha your not small hazard the Humble.
I just read stuff and wonder about the hard once a week and light once a week method

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Originally Posted by Hazard Well.... Idunno what you consider big..... I'm 6'1 264 and work everything out once a week.

Maybe that's why I'm still kinda small :-/

Do you even lift bro? Haha

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Originally Posted by innerg
Haha your not small hazard the Humble.
I just read stuff and wonder about the hard once a week and light once a week methodWhen I lift..... Atleast currently..... I shoot for absolute failure. Marcus has a great thread in the lounge regarding this. If you are reaching total failure..... U can't workout two days later and doit again.

Just curious.... What's ur bf% and what do your arms measure? What kind of improvements have u seen using this method. It's atleast worth a discussion.....

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Originally Posted by Hazard
When I lift..... Atleast currently..... I shoot for absolute failure. Marcus has a great thread in the lounge regarding this. If you are reaching total failure..... U can't workout two days later and doit again.

Just curious.... What's ur bf% and what do your arms measure? What kind of improvements have u seen using this method. It's atleast worth a discussion.....

Body fat is about 17% right now.
Arms are 18.5 flexed.

I truly follow Ct Fletcher's advice about arms. For me it's not augment. I see his stuff and have spoke to him about it its simple Theres The proof and theres the pudding. It works.

Many hate on him but who cares. Like I said. Pudding and proof.

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Originally Posted by innerg
Body fat is about 17% right now.
Arms are 18.5 flexed.

I truly follow Ct Fletcher's advice about arms. For me it's not augment. I see his stuff and have spoke to him about it its simple Theres The proof and theres the pudding. It works.

Many hate on him but who cares. Like I said. Pudding and proof.

I'm not arguing..... Everyone is different so there is no one method for all. If its giving you results then keep doing it.

Just don't be scared to switch it up every once in a while. I've used a few different training techniques and I've found one that really has made vast improvements for me. I can't train like this for months and months on end so every now and then ill switch it up.

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Originally Posted by Hazard
I'm not arguing..... Everyone is different so there is no one method for all. If its giving you results then keep doing it.

Just don't be scared to switch it up every once in a while. I've used a few different training techniques and I've found one that really has made vast improvements for me. I can't train like this for months and months on end so every now and then ill switch it up.

Ya for sure. I do change it up and keep it fresh. I'm way cool with blasting arms once a week as well. Used to for years. I just see full volume and growth so I like it.
Just wondering about the rest of my body. If I should hit them more when on cycle.

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Originally Posted by innerg
Ya for sure. I do change it up and keep it fresh. I'm way cool with blasting arms once a week as well. Used to for years. I just see full volume and growth so I like it.
Just wondering about the rest of my body. If I should hit them more when on cycle.I personally don't hit anything more than once but again..... I try to hit true positive failure and breakdown the deepest fibers of muscle. I'm often sore a few days later.

That's my take on it..... See what others say. I did have a friend that trained legs twice a week and swore they needed to be destroyed that often.

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I like training things twice a week with a three day on one day off. also power days for your first three days then hypertrophy for the next three but genetics play a big role on how you grow an what works for your body. took me years to figure out what works for my body like hamstrings need 8 sets of a good amount of weight an high reps other wise I can't get them to grow same with my lats quads take heavy ass weight with no more then 8 reps each persons a little different then the next good luck.

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So i got a question about my cycle

 

Hey guys im new to the forum and this is my first cycle i ever did. i ran dbol for 4 weeks at 30mg a day. and running 400ml of test e from dAY 1. so it comming close to week 7 now. im not sure if the test even kicked in. when i was on dbol i had amazing strength gains, and gained solid amount of pounds. i was 170 when i started and today im 190. People say u get a feeling of well being and your suppose to kind of explode when your on week 4-6 but i lost strength gains in those weeks when i went of the dbol. i still got 3 more weeks of test e to go, will i get stronger and bigger still or is my cycle pretty much done? cuz i still feel i could put on more muscle and the 20lbs that i gained could be water weight,. what do u guys think? oh btw im 26, 5"11 and been gymming for 4 years on and off. but last 2 years was srs training.

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 Originally Posted by Afk Mostly Hey guys im new to the forum and this is my first cycle i ever did. i ran dbol for 4 weeks at 30mg a day. and running 400ml of test e from dAY 1. so it comming close to week 7 now. im not sure if the test even kicked in. when i was on dbol i had amazing strength gains, and gained solid amount of pounds. i was 170 when i started and today im 190. People say u get a feeling of well being and your suppose to kind of explode when your on week 4-6 but i lost strength gains in those weeks when i went of the dbol. i still got 3 more weeks of test e to go, will i get stronger and bigger still or is my cycle pretty much done? cuz i still feel i could put on more muscle and the 20lbs that i gained could be water weight,. what do u guys think? oh btw im 26, 5"11 and been gymming for 4 years on and off. but last 2 years was srs training.What does your diet look like? How many calories above your TDEE are you consuming and what is the macro ratio? It's your nutrition that determines how much you'll gain and keep, not the choice of steroid .

What AI are you using?

Are you including HCG in this cycle?

What SERMs are you using for PCT at the end of cycle?

What does your diet look like? How many calories above your TDEE are you consuming and what is the macro ratio? It's your nutrition that determines how much you'll gain and keep, not the choice of steroid .

What AI are you using?

Are you including HCG in this cycle?

What SERMs are you using for PCT at the end of cycle?

so for my diet i try around 250g of protein a day, i try and keep my carbs and fats about normal, i dont really increase that. but like i go about 3.5k calories a day, on a good day. sometimes i go 3.k calories. but for my body to make gains i need to eat above 2.5k . my AI is nolvadex if thats what you are refering too

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Originally Posted by Afk Mostly so for my diet i try around 250g of protein a day, i try and keep my carbs and fats about normal, i dont really increase that. but like i go about 3.5k calories a day, on a good day. sometimes i go 3.k calories. but for my body to make gains i need to eat above 2.5k . my AI is nolvadex if thats what you are refering tooHave you calculated your TDEE? That will give you a better idea of how much you should be eating.

What is "normal" carbs and fat? Everyone is unique and has different nutritional needs based on body type, training frequency, training styles, training goals, etc.

What are the sources of your protein? How much is coming from shakes versus actual food?

Sorry, but tamoxifen (nolvadex ) is NOT an aromatase inhibitor. It is a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (SERM). You need an aromatase inhibitor to stop your testosterone from being aromatized to estrogen subdomains while you cycle!

No mention of HCG or a plan for PCT.

Your cycle and diet may be too far off to see gains and you will be increasing risks of adverse effects from the hormones due to a lack of an AI. Increasing estrogens are risk factors for stroke, heart attack, DVTs, peripheral artery disease, blood clots, water retention, changes to blood factors, erectile dysfunction, mood disorders, prostate disease and more.

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Would primo 200mg, D bol 30mg, proviron be good for a first cycle?

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primobolan (200mg weekly for 8 weeks), Danabol(30 mg for daily for 6 weeks), Proviron 1 tablet for 8 a week.

I'm researching a good mix that would possibly be less damaging to people on the younger side. I threw this one together. Would primo. And d bol even be a good mix?

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primobolan (200mg weekly for 8 weeks), Danabol(30 mg for daily for 6 weeks), Proviron 1 tablet for 8 a week.

I'm researching a good mix that would possibly be less damaging to people on the younger side. I threw this one together. Would primo. And d bol even be a good mix?

No at 18 i suggest you read the beginner cycle stickys and cycles and the young

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I would replace primo at that dose with a cup of coffee. You'd get much more out of coffee.

What are your full stats?

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I would replace primo at that dose with a cup of coffee. You'd get much more out of coffee.

What are your full stats?

lmao brilliant!

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Depending on age and stats testosterone only is the recommended first cycle, it would be worth reading the sticky on the young and steroids .

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I'm not planning on doing any steroids at the moment, I was just curious about those 2 together. And yes I read all of the stickies.

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Goctha. Ok, yeah that dose of Primo is worthless. And Proviron is also worthless.

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