What to expect in your first cycle?

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I am currently 232lbs, 6'5, 18% BF (Top 2 abs show and some fair ab definition)

My lifts are very weak at:
242lb bench press
310lb squat
310lb deadlift
(All of these perfect form)

I am 18 years old, and I am researching steroids in case I ever use them, I am not planning to touch anything until I am over 22-23 years old. I have been lurking around for a while but I am a hug noob. If I ever touched steroids, I thought as a first cycle to do something basic like 600mg Test weekly with Var (50mg-80mg depending on quality of gear).

I was wondering a few things?

1. What can I achieve naturally until 22-23 years of age (another 4-5 years of lifting) (I have been lifting for 1 and a half years).
My goal naturally is to get to 250lbs, under 12% BF, bench 350, squat 405, deadlift 450.

2. What can I expect from an 8-12 week cycle and what would be optimal? What kind of strength gains and weight gains and body fat changes can I expect?
I was hoping, if I am 250lbs at 12% BF, 350bench, 405squat, 450dead that after 1 cycle the results would be:
250->260lbs
12% BF->8% BF
350 Bench-> 380 Bench
405 Squat-> 440 Squat
450 dead-> 495 Dead

Is this realistic?

Also what kind of side effects can I expect from such a cycle? Other than mild acne and shutting down of testes which are both very temporary and negligible.

Cliffs:
- Gain 30lbs natural muscle over a 4-5 year period
- Lose 12lbs Fat over a 4-5 year period
- Go from 242lb bench to 350 naturally over 4-5 years and then 350 to 380 with 1 cycle
- Go from 310lb squat to 405 naturally over 4-5 years and then 405 to 440 with 1 cycle
- Go from 310lb deadlift to 450 naturally over 4-5 years and then 450 to 495 with 1 cycle

My ultimate goal: Get to IFBB pro level.

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Im on first cycle now, you dont need that much Test for a first cycle, people seem to love high doses, but thats way more than you need will just cause sides..
Go for about 400mg of test (Youve not said what kind, Enth/Cyp ect?) thats more than enough to see brilliant gains first cycle IMO.
To be honest im thinking you only need test for a first cycle, also orals are very hard on the body, just stick with test for the 1st one and see how you go!
Im 6.5 weeks in, the most common things are random bouts of spots, normally on the back, nothin bad, the odd increase of hair, feeling like you could drink a whole lagoon dry, but thats about it, im not using any AI too, but if you can id advise HCG from what im hearing.
The lads will be along shortly to advise on gains ect.
Good Luck,
Sam

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I don't know what kind of test, probably cyp to be honest. I don't mind spending money, if I do this, I am willing to spend as much as possible to do it right and safely. Not going to try to save where health is concerned.

I don't smoke, party or drink so I should have a bunch of money extra by that age.

Anyway what kind of gains can I expect? Are my goals natural and cycle realistic?

PS:
Do I need a lot of cycles to get to an IFBB Pro level? My goal body is something like this:

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Im enjoying CYP, only thing is it takes a long time to fully kick of coarse, i think ill hit prop next time, not a fan of orals at all, My first try of Dbol i took liver support, drank gallons of water ect, but it gave me crippling headaches knocked it off after less than a week, of coarse everyone will react different though, If money is no object, id consider Test Cyp/Enth at about 400MG per week, split into at least 2 doses, with A good AI (Will let others advise) HCG , and a Good PCT, DAA and Other Natural testy boosters might help you recover faster once your off the cycle, ill let you know when i get to it as i have lots in the drawer ive not bothered with.

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My research with Var showed that it is very mild on the liver if taken correctly, but that the myth that it doesn't shut you down is fake. and that it shuts you down just as fast as any other gear.

As to details on what AIs and PCT to use, I have no idea.

I am 4-5 years away from the cycle and haven't even decided if I will.
Also I don't even have access to any...

Not quite sure how to know if a source is reliable, I don't like the idea of buying something which I don't know what it is.

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Its milder on the liver if i was to take an Oral it would be Var myself actually, but not without effects as you said.
Im too inexperienced to advise on AI/PCT for you, that's why i said wait for one of the lads to come along.
If you look online there are a few ways to test products, one of the best things id do is find a possible source, ask there brand (Just say some make you ill) and then have a research online, but beware some people do get paid to promote on forums, i try ask local people that know the source

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yea it's tough to find out what gear is legit.

I mean I live in UK where its legal to use and buy, but illegal to sell.
So talk here of buying is ok.

Scotland has the best labs I think, wait we aren't allowed to say names are we? Either way theres this 1 lab I heard has the best Var.

I wish you could buy from pharmacies...

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Im from the UK too buddy, i will be honest i found it easy to find gear, but very hard to find real gear, mine now comes from Thailand, via a family member, Thailand, Arabia, Russia, places like that seem to have the best kinds so im finding/hearing, anything really close to home im finding to be fake, not saying all, just what im finding!

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really? I thought it would be the opposite.
I mean I am sure quite a few guys are trying to fake gear here, but I thought exotic gear would be the worst. I really don't trust countries like Thailand etc... Maybe I am a tad racist haha.
Are there any guides on how to find good sources?
Meh either way I have a long time.

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If your 18 and 6'5 then yes it's possible to put on 30lbs of muscle on in 4-5 yrs. that's only w proper nutrition. And at that point you'd be puttin up much more than 350 on ur bench.

That's not to say its goin to be easy. 30lbs of muscle is a lot. So take this time to learn how ur body reacts to different macro split and amounts. Once u get it spot on u can gain some nice lean mass.

On a 6'5 frame if u put on 10lbs of muscle on cycle that would be successful IMO. You'd prob put on 30lbs but if 10 of it was muscle that would be good.

Again most of it will be determine of ur execution on diet, training and rest.

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to be honest... This has been my progression:
30% Fat, 210lbs so thats 147lbs LBM and 63lbs Fat

3months of cardio (first cut)

11% Fat, 163lbs so thats 145lbs LBM and 18lbs Fat

Bulk for 1 year straight:
213lbs at 15% BF, 181lbs LBM and 32lbs Fat

Switch program and up the diet adding loads of dirty foods for 4 months:
232lbs at 18% BF, 190lbs LBM, 42lbs Fat

I put on too much fat, I will now bulk more carefully until march, I will bulk to 243lbs and then cut down to around 220 aiming for below 12% BF for summer and then bulk again.

I am adding LBM pretty fast following this routine:

A:

Back Squats
Chin-ups (shoulder width grip)
Bench press
Seated rows (wide grip, pull bar to pecs)
Leg curls
Concentration curls (alternate between arms with no/minimal rest)
Rope pressdowns
Standing calf raises
Overhead Press

B:

Deadlifts
Pull-ups (wide grip)
Dips (parallel or V bar)
Chest-supported dumbbell rows (let elbows flare away from body)
Leg extensions
Incline dumbbell curls
Overhead extensions
Seated calf raises
Side lateral raises (dumbbell or cable)

What I do is alternate workout, 7 days a week, it lasts for about 60minutes if done correctly and intensely.
It works like this, each exercise I choose a 10 rep range failure, do 9-11 reps to failure, then proceed to do 7 sets of 3 reps with as little break as possible. The breaks get bigger obviously as I get more tired, the first break being just a few seconds while the last break is more around 45seconds.

This seems to work for me.

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Looks like a good plan when ur first starting out cause your hitting all ur muscle groups. But eventually u will need to isolate more to get growth. So pick two muscle groups per day.

Example
Day 1 chest/tri
2. Back/bi
3 rest
4quads/hams/calves
5 rest
6 shoulders/traps
7 repeat

That way u can do more sets per muscle group in that hr. Also make sure u have rest days.

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And I'm pretty sure dude in second pic is mike o'hearn. He claims to be a natural bb but dude is a complete monster so who knows.

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first time tren E

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I have done a few sustanon 250 cycles and sus/danabol cycles but thought I would give tren E a shot . jabbing once a week and 40mg danabol ds daily. The other day just been I pinned for my 5th week and with an hour I started getting a real itchy neck Then after a couple of hours spread all over body my body also was getting in patches like small blister looking things and it was so itchy I felt like a crack head it got me concerned I thought it was all the mixed nuts I had been scoffing up but the teen was the only other suspicious things... Anyone else had or heard anything similar. I googled it but nothing

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Have you been on Tren e for 5 weeks?

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I have done a few sustanon 250 cycles and sus/danabol cycles but thought I would give tren E a shot . jabbing once a week and 40mg danabol ds daily. The other day just been I pinned for my 5th week and with an hour I started getting a real itchy neck Then after a couple of hours spread all over body my body also was getting in patches like small blister looking things and it was so itchy I felt like a crack head it got me concerned I thought it was all the mixed nuts I had been scoffing up but the teen was the only other suspicious things... Anyone else had or heard anything similar. I googled it but nothingIt sounds like an allergic reaction but why i would waited to have started now I do not know.
Is it possible its unrelated,,,maybe a food allergy??? Keep some Benadryl on hand.

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Wierd things happening late into first cycle of test.C..

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Hi guys, firstly i would like to of course say hello to everyone..
This is how it started, i used to be an average guy, blah blah shit happened bad things and ended up dropping test levels through depression, 2 months ago i was at a terrible point, eating hardly any more than 1500 Cals a day if lucky and weighing only 9.6 stone at the age of 20 (Nearly 21) -being 5'11" and had absolutely no apatite or motivation, couldn't lift at the gym due to feeling so lethargic, tried everything but nothing seemed to work.

So, although i know its not recommended im too young and everything, but to me, nothing in the slightest would work, i started training but couldn't lift due to having no strength or motivation, i wasn't building any muscle because of having no motivation or strength and a poor diet, so it was a vicious circle, i decided to try a different approach, with the thought being, if you never try something you wont know, now i know Ive totally ruined chances of natural size gains because of using so young, but please, i have made the decision, to improve my quality of life (Which by the way was pretty awful, always ill ect) and for that i have no regrets, so would appreciate support and not telling me to stop for being too young, thanks in advanced guys!

So here it is, i started with some Test Cypionate (Cypionax 200ml-200MG), which is from someone in the family, i know its 100% Legit, as he gets them himself on holiday and uses..
After getting over my phobia of needles, i actually started to enjoy injecting, so i went for 100MG Test Cyp 3 times a week (Mon-Wed-Fri) and a 100MG of Deca on the Sunday (I have dropped after 3 weeks after realizing it would be totally wasted on a first cycle).
The results for myself were great, not gains, but life! I instantly felt revitalized after only 4-5 days the best in about 3 years, sleep improved, mood improved, sex drive improved, confidence, you name it it was there, it allowed me to actually eat without being sick and with that i redesigned my diet, consisting of as much protein i could get through at work, 5 smaller meals with lots of carbs and any protein i could find, 2 weight gainer shakes a day, and 2 Pints of full fat milk (Bulking as much as poss).
(At week 3 when i dropped the Deca, i decided to up the Test to 1.33ML (Mon-Wed-Fri) so it would be roughly just under 400MG a week).

Now this worked brilliant at first, everything about me improved, training, diet, calorie intake, i went up by over a stone within 5 weeks, and almost all seemed solid, no flab, no gut, just pure muscle and all my forearms and shoulders ect started hardening like mad, got to just over 11 Stone, really chuffed, and then i got the flu..

I had to spend 1 week off work and training, had no appetite even shakes that should have been my food were being sicked up, nothing worked, yet i remained 11 Stone.
I have now been on the Test for 7 weeks nearly, and am totally bamboozled, after the illness, my training has been awful, i have no energy at all in the gym, in fact i have started falling asleep at work in the day, leaning over counters ect, (Still getting 8 hours sleep a night) my diet i am struggling with, has dropped down again and im stuggling to put much over 2300 Cals a day in, if i start pushing that then i start throwing up or at least struggle to keep it all down, my weight has not budged of course from the 11 stone, yet once again, vicious circle, i have no energy to train, no appetite and so i will not grow, but the weird thing is i actually feel worse than before my cycle, at first it helped me no end! I'm literally stuck, and its been nearly 2 weeks now since no gains, my head hurts, i have to drink gallons of water a day, im constantly in a foul mood, not even irritable like the test made me at first, i cant stand anything but silence, anyone wants to even talk and i just want to get up and go, the sight or thought of food makes me feel sick, im falling asleep in the day, its total madness.

All Ive heard about from day 1 is Test.C is long ester, you wont feel max effect until till week 5-6-7, but when you do, its unreal, weights get light, you can put more food away, you'll feel amazing, trust me you'll know..
Yet i feel awful and im nearly on week 7, im stuck were i am, im starting to increase weight on my bars slowly again and it gives me little boosts, but they don't last?

I'm not using anything but the test ATM, not too sure what PCT will be using, have Nolva and Clomid to hand but every single person advises different so im unsure, tried to get HCG from day 1 but struggled, might be able to get some to throw in the last few weeks of the cycle to try bring things back to life if you get me..
So far no bad side effects, Gyno ect, i have been congratulated by older AS users i know for handling the moods ect so well, and they think its down to smaller consistent doses, so ill keep that up..
Hell the only way i can tell im on cycle is the constant sex thoughts (not much more than normal hahah) and the spots developing all over my shoulders, that really is the only way you can tell!

Sorry to write a whole book and biography but i really would appreciate peoples opinions on the extreme plummet of progress, lack of motivation ect and why im not feeling this famous "Kick" still after all this time, when the gear is 100% Legit! and i wanted everyone to know and understand the whole story before i asked, so i didn't seem like a silly young chav that just comes on knowing nothing and sprouting shit about lack of 200lbs gains in 2 weeks init..

If anyone could kindly make any suggestions, i would really appreciate it.
Thanks and hope you all had a good Christmas, Sam.

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Dam bro lets keep it short and too the point.Novels put me too sleep LOL

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Hahahah sorry bro will do from now on, but being young i had to explain the whole situation or people would just jump on saying your too young, inexperienced ect..
Only one way to get experience, so id rather just practice things as safely as i can and see how i go, only running for 12 weeks anyway, which is why any advice on the latest madness would be appreciated, can be short and sweet!

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How is anything you've done make you believe it's safe? Did you ever think to get blood work prior to embarking on a horribly designed cycle at 20 years old? Everyone thinks you can just start taking test and all your problems go away, when in fact you just bring in more problems.

The fact you never got blood work, you're injecting a long ester 3x per week, you added 100mg of Deca once a week, for what reason I have no idea and you're not using an AI just shows that you didn't do your research.

I don't understand why so many young people think it's ok to experiment with their hormones just to gain experience and then they wonder why their 20's are miserable, filled with problems.

Your e2 is most likely elevated, you need to stop what you're doing, get on a PCT and get blood work soon after.

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I agree with what your saying, but its hard when everyone you speak to says different things!
No i did not have blood work done, due to not having any idea about were to safely get it done that i could trust, ect!
However i was told by my doctor when i was signed off work, that while checking my blood thoroughly my test levels did seem quite low for my age, but admittedly that was about 6 months ago!

With regards to both the lack of AI, and the Deca for the first few weeks, was because before i knew you could find all this on the internet, i was taking the advice of bodybuilders who have competed in competitions for years, a few actually hold records, who seemed to tell me all this was the best way to go about it, obviously when i found all this info on the web it made me unsure which is why i posted to here in the first place!

The long ester 3 X a week, was simply because since i split to 3 a week instead of 2, surely the T levels will be more consistent, and i have been finding that i get little or no sides since, but am of course open to your suggestions!

Because to me it wasn't just experimenting, it helped with so many issues that nothing else did, we've all started out somewhere once, and im sure lots of people on here started younger than me, im not saying its right, but its true!

Is there no way i can save it this far in? I'm not going against what your saying just curious if i can do anything to stop the last 7 weeks of work being wasted!

Thanks for your advice anyway, Sam

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16 year old first cycle results

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16 year old first cycle results (PICS before and after)

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No he did not. Steroids at 16 is the worst thing he could have done. Your supporting it is even worse.
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biggest dude I've seen in a while....

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Kids are so F-ing Stupid these days!!!! Your friend is a moron for doing a cycle at 16.

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You think that's me. How cute.

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So.... he wants to know wat should he take next to get bigger? he dont want to use needles

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So.... he wants to know wat should he take next to get bigger?Food

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that was meant for kronik guy not u

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So.... he wants to know wat should he take next to get bigger? he dont want to use needlesI hope you find your way to the door asap bud

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well u guys have been helpful...

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bahaha, what a hoot. and all this time fit2bold I thought that was you in the av.....lmao smh, you let the cat out of the bag bro .

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that was meant for kronik guy not uKronik is much smarter regardless. Not always about size.

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well u guys have been helpful...go elsewhere to other forums, we dont help kids use aas here but I have to ask did you even run any kind of.pct?

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bahaha, what a hoot. and all this time fit2bold I thought that was you in the av.....lmao smh, you let the cat out of the bag bro .That was fit2bold in his early days in the '50s....back then he was fit2byoung

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bahaha, what a hoot. and all this time fit2bold I thought that was you in the av.....lmao smh, you let the cat out of the bag bro .Sorry I fooled you. Quite a bit bigger than that been lifting over 30 years.

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go elsewhere to other forums, we dont help kids use aas here but I have to ask did you even run any kind of.pct?X2, but Merry Xmas anyway.

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I can't wait until Xmas is over so kelkel can have his motivational calves as his avatar again..........orrrr, wait.....is that back in black?? Now I'm confused

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Thanks Chad and all the best to you as well. Lets make it a BIG 2014!

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I can't wait until Xmas is over so kelkel can have his motivational calves as his avatar again..........orrrr, wait.....is that back in black?? Now I'm confusedMine are tooth pics.

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Originally Posted by powerlifter198 These comments make me LMFAO. Oh yes, because being big is the only criteria of a well run cycle. Why worry about the effects on his neuroendocrine system, the likelihood of severe depression or mood disorders later on, erectile dysfunction, the possibility of DVTs or PAD, prostate dysfunction, and many other possible outcomes.

Yup, screw his long term health. What does that matter any way.

I swear, kids these days don't hear the shit coming out of their mouth and are so self absorbed its disgusting.

Ban this fool. We don't need this kind of crap here. Go over to the other garbage forums where this kind of discussion belongs.

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He has a thread in the members pics section looks like the same guy. This guy is to young to be here

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He has a thread in the members pics section looks like the same guy. This guy is to young to be hereagree, its the same.guy I noticed that in the pics he has up before. really childish ways, I hope he takes the advice and stops what he is doing.

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First Cycle...Advice Welcome

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Too young. It's dangerous to cycle at that. Your endocrine system is not fully developed yet. At that age you don't want to worry about your hair, acne, permanent erectile dysfunction, and many other issues. Imagine not being able to an erection in your early 20's?

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First time physique competitor......prep (advice,thoughts,help)

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hey guys ive been wanting to for some time now do a physique competition. i got really close to it last year and lost track of all my goals and started to drink and gave up on what i wanted most. this time i am more than ready to follow through with my goals and i plan on doing a show in march of 2014. i am starting to cut right now and prepare my body for the show and was just looking for any advice on diet or lifting in general. any help/support for my goal is more than appreciated everyone put ur two scents in and if anyone is interested in seeing my progression let me know and i will keep you all updated!  this for me is considered week 1 and i plan on losing around a pound and a half a week until the comp...... let me know what you all think thanks !

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Would primo 200mg, D bol 30mg, proviron be good for a first cycle?

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primobolan (200mg weekly for 8 weeks), Danabol(30 mg for daily for 6 weeks), Proviron 1 tablet for 8 a week.

I'm researching a good mix that would possibly be less damaging to people on the younger side. I threw this one together. Would primo. And d bol even be a good mix?

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primobolan (200mg weekly for 8 weeks), Danabol(30 mg for daily for 6 weeks), Proviron 1 tablet for 8 a week.

I'm researching a good mix that would possibly be less damaging to people on the younger side. I threw this one together. Would primo. And d bol even be a good mix?

No at 18 i suggest you read the beginner cycle stickys and cycles and the young

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I would replace primo at that dose with a cup of coffee. You'd get much more out of coffee.

What are your full stats?

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I would replace primo at that dose with a cup of coffee. You'd get much more out of coffee.

What are your full stats?

lmao brilliant!

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Depending on age and stats testosterone only is the recommended first cycle, it would be worth reading the sticky on the young and steroids .

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I'm not planning on doing any steroids at the moment, I was just curious about those 2 together. And yes I read all of the stickies.

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Goctha. Ok, yeah that dose of Primo is worthless. And Proviron is also worthless.

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